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  Spinning the Noah Story WT Style

  by Farkel in

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  for as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that noah entered into the ark; and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away?

  note that jesus said nothing about noah doing any preaching or doing any warning to others about the coming flood.

  ?evidence?

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  Black Man

  Yeah Undercover:

  That is a classic example of WTS spinning that never flew with me....
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  Spinning the Noah Story WT Style

  by Farkel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that noah entered into the ark; and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away?

  note that jesus said nothing about noah doing any preaching or doing any warning to others about the coming flood.

  ?evidence?

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  Black Man

  My thing with the Noah story is this: Was the ark made to accomodate people who would respond to Noah's message of doom? If hundreds or thousands of people had responded, would there have been enough room on the ark so that they could be saved? Only 8 people and a plethora of animal species were saved, before Gode euthanized the mankind, according to the account. It just doesn't make sense to me and sounds like mere allegory.
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  How would you respond to this?

  by Black Man in

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  how would you respond to this?

  there is dialogue going on on a hip-hop website after a buddy of mine raised some issues about jw's.

  http://www.okayplayer.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=360217&forum=general2.

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  the moderators have deleted the post because it caused so much controversy. sound familiar? it's like been back in the org.......
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  How would you respond to this?

  by Black Man in

  1. jw
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  how would you respond to this?

  there is dialogue going on on a hip-hop website after a buddy of mine raised some issues about jw's.

  http://www.okayplayer.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=360217&forum=general2.

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  Black Man

  UP............
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  How would you respond to this?

  by Black Man in

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  how would you respond to this?

  there is dialogue going on on a hip-hop website after a buddy of mine raised some issues about jw's.

  http://www.okayplayer.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=360217&forum=general2.

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  Black Man

  How would you respond to this? There is dialogue going on on a hip-hop website after a buddy of mine raised some issues about JW's. They're tag-teaming him over there now at.......

  http://www.okayplayer.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=360217&forum=general2

  How long ago did this fool do this "'sour grapes' I spent all my life pioneering and at Bethel and didn't go to college and now I can't have a phat house and a Range Rover sittin' on 24" spinners like all the rappers on 'Cribs'...boo-hoo-hoo, woe is me" post? I was busy today at my well-paying job that I am not prepared to do or functional enough to perform because I spent all my time out in service pioneering and selling books for the "glorified publishing company" from the time I was 17 through 24.(Note the sarcasm in my voice...ROFL!!!)

  I'm not even gonna argue with this fool today...but I will say this right quick before I go to the gym to get my workout on:
  I look back at my my work history and a BANG of the monetary success I've had I ATTRIBUTE to the organization, and my parents of course who taught me the value of education, good sound business sense, and hard work.

  Due to my Theocratic training, I have been able to advance IN THE REAL WORLD WORKPLACE. Like I said yesterday, I haven't made less than $50K since I was 22 years old. I'll give you a quick example...in Dec of '98 I went to work in the sales department of an advertising firm here in Dallas. (As a matter of fact, on my resume', I DID PUT my 2 weeks of Pioneer School and the times I went to Kingdom Ministry School under "Education", AS WELL as the fact that I was the Theocratic Ministry School Overseer at the time) After my 2nd interview, after they saw my business acumen and how well I could articulate, I was given a management position over sales team of 5 people...all of which had been there at least 1-2 YEARS, and all of which had bachelor's degrees.(Yeah, they were MAD too) I was thoroughly shocked at how these sales "professionals" were so "mediocre" when it came to making speaking publicly and making presentations in front of people.(which I had been doing since I was 5 years old) Inside of 2 months, I had restructured the manner in which weekly sales meetings were conducted,(I modeled them after meetings for field service...no more than 15 minutes, kept the tone positive, we briefly discussed pertinent topics, discussed the goals for the week, and I sent them on their way) and for the next 5 months my team's sales increased by at least 15-20% every month. Inside of 7 months, I was promoted to the #2 man in the Dallas/Ft. Worth office. My performance was good enough that the company's National V.P. of Sales had me reporting directly to HIM everyday instead of through my immediate boss.(Whenever he was in town, he came to the Hall with me, too) In December of '99 I went to Ft. Lauderdale for my first National Sales Meeting. I got an award for running the division with the 2nd most sales volume in the U.S...out of offices in N.Y., Chicago, Miami, Philadelphia, Boston, Atlanta, Houston, Charlotte, St. Louis, Los Angeles, San Diego and of course Dallas/Ft. Worth. The ONLY office that beat my office was the home office in Ft. Lauderdale. They then had ME rewrite the training curriculum for ALL NEW SALES PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY. That's right, ME. The YOUNGEST sales manager in the company, the ONLY Black sales manager, and the ONLY one WITHOUT A DEGREE. To make a long story short, in 4 more months, I had MY BOSS' job, who was 25 years older, had spent 4 years in the Navy, AND had a bachelor's degree in Marketing from the University of Arkansas, so guess what? I was running the ENTIRE D/FW OFFICE!!! In charge of sales, training, inventory control, hiring, the monthly, quarterly, and annual budgets...the whole 9 yards. The organization hasn't held me back from A THING...it hasn't done ANYTHING BUT sharpen my skills. I can name 20-25 cats I grew up with RIGHT NOW who spent years in full-time service,(in some cases are STILL in full time service) who are EXECS in major corporations, or are very successful entrepreneurs. Man, I used to get at least 1 job offer per week from the clients I was servicing...because the organization TEACHES you how to DEAL with PEOPLE.

  I don't know what his problem is, I don't know if he is just LAZY, if he thinks Jehovah is supposed to just hand him a bunch of money because he was at Bethel, I don't know if he doesn't have any business sense, doesn't have any self-confidence, don't know if he doesn't know how to dress right, present himself, handle money right, or what...but I do know this, HE IS on some self-pity, "I don't have as much money as I want", "I feel inadequate 'cause I don't have a degree", boo-hoo-hoo, I'm so broke" type stuff. Man, he needs get some FAITH, MAN UP, GET OFF HIS BEHIND, AND USE THE SKILLS HE HAS ATTAINED. He NEEDS to quit being a low self-esteem having COWARD, and get to WORK. Matthew 6:33, I'm SURE he remembers that...

  It's under the GENERAL DISCUSSION FORUM under the topic: MY ISSUES WITH JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES..............

  http://www.okayplayer.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=360217&forum=general2

  I was in a spat at work yesterday my own self and now i see this.................
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  HELP!!!!!!!!!! GETTING JUMPED ON BY JW'S AT WORK..........

  by Black Man in

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  i've kinda been outed here at work by a couple of other j-dubs and i need some quotes from the watchtower on:.

  college....especially the 1969 article telling teens that they won't grow old in this system.. .

  link to the pics showing j-dubs depiction of armageddon.........you know the ones with the burning buildings falling over people........ i also need some articles/quotes that said that j-dubs are the only group that will survive armageddon........... .

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  thanks so much for these...........keep 'em coming. if you guys know the link to 'quotes' website that would be great along with a link to whoever had the website that showed a lotta the armageddon pics in jw children's books..........this discussion is deep and looks like it will go on for most of the afternoon........
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  HELP!!!!!!!!!! GETTING JUMPED ON BY JW'S AT WORK..........

  by Black Man in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've kinda been outed here at work by a couple of other j-dubs and i need some quotes from the watchtower on:.

  college....especially the 1969 article telling teens that they won't grow old in this system.. .

  link to the pics showing j-dubs depiction of armageddon.........you know the ones with the burning buildings falling over people........ i also need some articles/quotes that said that j-dubs are the only group that will survive armageddon........... .

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  Black Man

  Everybody i need your help. I've kinda been outed here at work by a couple of other j-dubs and I need some quotes from the watchtower on:
  

  college....especially the 1969 article telling teens that they won't grow old in this system.

  link to the pics showing j-dubs depiction of Armageddon.........you know the ones with the burning buildings falling over people.......

  I also need some articles/quotes that said that j-dubs are the only group that will survive Armageddon..........

  I'll be back for more.............
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  The Idiocy of the Universal Sovreignty Issue

  by Black Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does anyone else have trouble processing the logic behind the wts issue of universal sovreignty?

  why empower satan to make claims and give him the time and circumstances to prove his claims?

  why have a bet between 2 people decide the fate of the universe?

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  Black Man

  And that in a nutshell is the quandry that is the universal sovreignty issue.........
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  Who is Maximus?

  by cyberguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  who is maximus?

  when i first came to this board, maxiums made some kindly responses to my posts.

  anyway, is maxiums an x-co/do?

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  Black Man

  I too have been greatly encouraged by Maximus' post and wished that he would one day start posting again. Farkel, thanks for your comments in this thread, man.
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  Are Circuit Overseers Stuck in Their Jobs?

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  during a recent c.o.

  visit, the latest itinerant from the society seemed a bit subdued as he talked about the difficulties.

  of his employment.

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  Black Man

  Many of them ARE stuck and want to get out. But they realize that to start all over again with no marketable skill in today's job market would be nothing short of suicide, so many press on....bitterly press on. You want to know who are some of the most bitter people in the org? Talk to a few C.O.'s and their WIVES. You'll get an eye-opener.